this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
......and the car horn of Boris the clown.
Don't call our elected leader a clown. Our Boris may not be perfect but he has done two great things for the UK:-
All he needs to do now is load up all the illegal immigrants that keep arriving by dingy each day, and send them back to the EU. They can have the immigrants, we will have the fish.
George
how are they handling the memorial this year?
zoom or open kh's?
how do they reject the wine & bread in their own home?
The goofiness of the whole thing is just incomprehensible to anyone who's never been a JW.
It's also incomprehensible to any current JW with an IQ in double figures.
George
how are they handling the memorial this year?
zoom or open kh's?
how do they reject the wine & bread in their own home?
ZOOM, just like last year. In the UK anyway.
George
why all the flipflops?.
1886 sodomites resurrected = yes!“thus our lord teaches that the sodomites did not have a full opportunity; and he guarantees them such opportunity… it implies their awakening, their coming from the tomb.”—the divine plan of the ages, 1886, pp.
110-111 (view pdf of these pages).
*** w88 6/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Consequently, in addition to what Jude 7 says, the Bible uses Sodom/Gomorrah and the Flood as patterns for the destructive end of the present wicked system. It is apparent, then, that those whom God executed in those past judgments experienced irreversible destruction. Of course, each of us can confirm that by his proving faithful to Jehovah now. In that way we will qualify to be alive in the new world to see whom he resurrects and whom he does not. We know that his judgments are perfect. Elihu assured us: “For a fact, God himself does not act wickedly, and the Almighty himself does not pervert judgment.”—Job 34:10, 12.
So 1988 - Maybe1989 - NOI thought that the latest change indicated that we do not know and will have to wait and see. Maybe something more recent.
George
did you ever go to the haysbridge assembly hall in surrey?.
post your experiences.
the assembly hall i believe used to be a reformed school for boys and was completely renovated and dedicated in 1985.. it was the only assembly hall i knew of that sold souvenir pens, book marks and notepads.. .
I remember one year they were short of attendants so asked me if I would help out, which I did. I was on duty on the balcony on the Sunday and two brothers were talking rather loudly so I told them to be quiet while the sessions were on. I had no idea who they were but they went off and I thought no more about it. Then during the lunch break an elder from my congregation who had asked me to be an attendant came to see me and told me I should have been more tactful when speaking to people, as a complaint had been made. Apparently the two brothers were the resident caretaker and a Bethel representative.
Not surprisingly they never asked me again!
George
the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?
how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?
the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.
There is some evidence that Rutherford first mentioned 1914 as the beginning of christs second coming in the 1930`s.
As shown in my quote from the 1929 book Prophesy (above) he knew about 1914 in the 20's at the latest. I'm sure there are earlier quotes.
Page 133 mentions this again along with a footnote explaining that a clearer understanding of Biblical chronology pointing to 1914 was published in 1943.
The change here was nothing to do with 1914. It was down to fact that they thought the destruction of Jerusalem was 606 BCE and 2520 years gave them 1914 CE. When someone pointed out their arithmetical error they changed 606 to 607. They had the answer they wanted (1914) already. This was the change in "The Truth Shall Make You Free". The previous year (1942) the publication New World had stated 606 BCE. Page 77.
George
what song takes you back there?.
here's mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brb7rupqtsg&ab_channel=danielaaguilar.
The Who
"Won't get fooled again"
George
the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?
how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?
the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.
BTW, Which presidents you are talking about ?
The first three presidents of the WT Society:-
George
the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?
how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?
the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.
In the year 1914 God placed his anointed King upon his throne and directed him to begin his rule amongst the enemy. (Ps. 2:6; 110:2) Three and one-half years thereafter, to wit, 1918, the Lord came to his temple. At that time he presented himself to his professed people as their King and earth's rightful Governor. At that time Jesus Christ was also a tried and precious Stone. In the great battle fought in heaven between Christ Jesus and the enemy Satan, Christ Jesus was victorious, therefore tried, true and faithful, and the Conqueror. (Rev. 12:7-10) When he presented himself as King, in the complete fulfilment, those who believed and accepted him rejoiced greatly, and to them he is and ever will be "precious".
Prophesy 1929 pp 104-5 - J F Rutherford
George
the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?
how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?
the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.
I'm sure that is true in the case of Conley and Russell. Rutherford may have believed that initially but in the 1920/30's changed to the idea that JC became king in 1914.
George
